Pre-Trib, Post Trib, Mid Trib, or no Trib Rapture

Pre-Trib, Post Trib, Mid Trib, or no Trib Rapture

eternally-gratefull	# March 15, 2010, 9:52 am \| Post: 25
Group: Elite Member Posts: 292 Status:	Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am In Matthew 12:28, Jesus states, "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then is the kingdom of God come upon you." What does Jesus say RIGHT AFTER that? Else how can a man enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man, and then spoil his house? Why isn't that taken literally? Jesus IS on the throne, the kingdom of God IS here, Satan IS bound. The martyred saints ARE at his side. the flaw in this reasoning is this. 1. Satan is not bound, he still holds sway and control over the earth. Even paul recognized this when he said our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers . if satan was bound, there would be no spiritual battles, for a person who is bound is can not fight. Also of note is that God sends his people into satans territory to rescue those who he came to save, this territory is said to be entered through the gates of hell..again, if satan was bound, there would be no gates to enter.. and finally, when satan is bound we are told that the whole world will worship Christ who is sitting on David's throne, This again has not happened yet. 2. Saints are still being martyred. Not all of them are at his side. 3. The spiritual kingdom of God is hear. as seen by the power of the Holy Spirit who empowers his people, and grants them the blessings promised, However, the literal kingdom of God where Christ actually sits on his throne after satan is bound and the whole world worships him has not yet happened. 4. Christ is on HIS throne, But he has yet to occupied the throne of David. This prophesy is yet to be fullfilled. 5. God is still binding the strong man, He has not completely bound him yet, Or we would have no satanic influence on the world.. What Christ was saying is before he can take his rightfull place on the throne of david, which the jews were searching for. He must first bind the strongman. He has yet to do this completely. Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am We are told in Ephesians 1:20-22 that Christ was set at God's right hand in the heavenly places and that all things are subject to him. This is describing the reign of Christ which is a present reality! do you think Christ likes the fact that drunks are killing innocent people. That people like Hitler are murdering millions, That satan still has control over many people?? Again. Yes all things are subject to him. They have been since the beginning of time,. But not all things are as of yet ruled by him, Again, Satan has not yet been bound.. this is not the same rule as described in revelation when satan will be bound. And christ has rule over all humanity.. Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am Then, in Ephesians 2:6 that we are told that we sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus! Revelation 20:4 teaches us that the first people to reign with Christ were those who were martyred beginning in the first century. "Satan is the "god of this world" is not a subjective genitive, it is objective, in other words, The World's Idol, what it worships, is Satan. Satan is however a subject of Christ, and he IS bound. when satan is bound for 1000 years. there will be no satanic influence, Any satanic temptation,. any satanic rule. He may be bound as far as Gods children is concerned, yet even this is not a complete binding. For satan can even influence and tempt God's child just like he did Christ. He just can not harm them.. like he could not harm Christ unless God let him.. When he is bound, he can not tempt, influence or do anything against anyone on earth. Again, this is the difference. Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am Revelation 1:3 (ESV) ³ ..... blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. (or even "at hand") Why isn't this taken literally? It is taken literally. The time of salvation is now. If we die, it is too late. I also think the time that mankind has the ability to wipe itself off the planet is near. And that is why Christ will have to intervine at some point in the near future. It is at this time that Christ will set up his earthly kingdom, and bind satan for 1000 years Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am A thousand years? So, Jesus who said His KINGDOM is NOW (which at the time was the first century) only lasted till 1000a.d. ? Instead of assuming 1000 years is "literal" and using that as the default and thus asking for proof that it isn't, why not ask yourself (and I DO ask you) what proof do you have that makes it 1000 years? Jesus saying his kingdom is now should not be interpreted as meaning the same as satan being bound for 1000 years. Where did God say satan would be bound? Rev 20: 1-1 NASB ¹Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. ²And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; ³and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. Notice what it says. He will bound in the abyss (bottomless pit) for a set period of time (1000 years) at which time he is not able to decieve the nations ( people who live on earth) for this set period of time. What does it say will happen in the end? he will be released for a short period of time.. further study of scripture shows he makes one last try to decieve people, and build up his army. since no time since Christ left earth has this happened. This prophesy has not been, nor is it being fullfilled yet. Satan is still deceiving the nations. He is NOT BOUND. so not only is the prophesy of the 1000 years been seen yet. But satan has not even been bound yet. Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am In Psalm 50:10 God reminds us that, "For every beast of the forest is Mine, The cattle on a thousand hills." This does not mean that God only owns the cattle on exactly one thousand hills. Rather, it means he owns the cattle on ALL the hills, which is a rather large amount. The thousand year period described in Revelation 20 is the Kingdom of Christ, which began in the first century and will be delivered back to His Father at the consummation of history. (1 Cor. 15:24) this does not speak as to what will happen in the 1000 years., Satan is not bound in the abyss, He is still deceiving the nations. So this attempt of destroying the literall 1000 years does not work..It would only work if satan had actually been bound the last 2000 some odd years. Which has not happened. Quote From : ronathanedwards March 12, 2010, 8:58 am The resurrection described at the end of this thousand year period is none other than the resurrection associated with the final, bodily return of Christ in the future. 1 Corinthians 15:23 Paul writes, "But every man in his own order: the firstfruits is Christ, afterward, they that are of Christ, at his coming shall rise again." On THAT DAY of His return is THE JUDGEMENT. There is only one. Every Judgement that is talked about is always linked to the LITERAL DAY of His coming. One return, one judement. The judgement of the sheep and goats. There are actually 2 judgments spoken of in scripture, the BEMA judgement, where Christs children are rewarded for their works. and the great white judgment, where all unbelievers (dead in Christ) are judged also for their works. But recieve no reward because they are condemned for unbelief. secondly, the ressurection you speak of does not happen after the 1000 years. For satan must be released and the final great battle must ensue.. before evil is completely destroyed and this ressurection takes place.
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